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Old 14-06-2012, 01:54 PM   #1
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Thumbs down Bored coppers......

I've owned the skyline for just over 3 years now, and it's my daily drive. I work right by Gatwick airport, so there is a heavy police presence - including a variety of marked cars parked at the roundabout I pass by every single working day. Today, when running late for a meeting I got pulled right outside my office. A pair of lady dog handlers decided that because my front plate is smaller than the rear, it didn't conform to regulations. They actually had to look up the code for the non-conformance they were interested in. Now I'm pretty sure that my front plate is just within spec, and they didn't take any measurements.

They even admitted that all the other police officers parked at that roundabout over the years probably had more important things to deal with, which says to me that these two were bored and needed to meet their quota! Anyhow, because of my spotless license and polite nature they forewent the 60 fine and just gave me a document to get stamped by an MOT station once I've changed the plate.

Still annoyed though, and am having to spend the day telling everyone that it wasn't a speeding ticket.......
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Old 14-06-2012, 03:43 PM   #2
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Sounds to me more likely the case they didnt give the fine as they knew they didnt have a leg to stand on between them and their dogs......

Challenging leads to uncovering their dearth of evidence.....which leads to raps on ze knuckles for being useless and bringing the force into disrepute - still as long as they enjoyed their day out huh
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They probably pulled you for going too quickly but as they're not a camera car they had no proof so gave you a telling off and picked fault with your plates. Would you rather have got a ticket? A lot of times police will pull you over just as a deterent for next time. I bet you won't rush into work to catch a meeting again.
A very good mate of mine is a traffic officer and he sometimes has to pull people for the safety of people further along the road. He may not give out tickets every time but it just triggers the brain to think again next time.
An MOT station producer if bugger all so just be thankful that's all it was and buy a new plate.
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They probably pulled you for going too quickly but as they're not a camera car they had no proof so gave you a telling off and picked fault with your plates. Would you rather have got a ticket? A lot of times police will pull you over just as a deterent for next time. I bet you won't rush into work to catch a meeting again.
A very good mate of mine is a traffic officer and he sometimes has to pull people for the safety of people further along the road. He may not give out tickets every time but it just triggers the brain to think again next time.
An MOT station producer if bugger all so just be thankful that's all it was and buy a new plate.
I wish I could tell if somebody was speeding or had an illegal plate without being there to witness the event. If your plate is legal OP I would fight it and complain to the force. Imports are allowed smaller plates, I think if you go on craigsplates it tells you the specs.
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I wish I could tell if somebody was speeding or had an illegal plate without being there to witness the event. If your plate is legal OP I would fight it and complain to the force. Imports are allowed smaller plates, I think if you go on craigsplates it tells you the specs.
I never said he was speeding. All my comments are bourne out of insinuation in the OP. He admit that his plate is small but is 'just' within spec so the officers are quite right to question it. It not up to the officers to measure the plate because they don't have te information, which they themselves admitted.
I just get a bit annoyed with people slagging off the Police especially when it's a non-event like this.
If you dig down to the facts of the case then there is a guy who got pulled over because the Police thought his number plate was illegal. It's not exactly front page news. If they had pulled him over, smashed his rear lamp and then given him a ticket for it then that's a different issue.
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Old 14-06-2012, 07:21 PM   #6
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I just get a bit annoyed with people slagging off the Police especially when it's a non-event like this. If you dig down to the facts of the case then there is a guy who got pulled over because the Police thought his number plate was illegal.
My own rant is borne out of the frustrating experience of making a living trying to make a case out of what our beloved boys in blue would to consider an ironclad case...and after 11 years I cannot put a figure on how many reports were sent straight back to the RO with the polite equivalent of "wtf" thereon.

For me the key phrase here is the police thought his plate was illegal. Before proceeding with any penalty (endorsable, financial, rap on the knuckles verbally) the burden of proof lies firmly with the reporting officers who have a duty of care to ensure that they are informing and educating the public - handing over a penalty to someone whose vehicle is in fact entirely legal in all its accoutrements would be in defiance of that duty of care and subject to re-education of the officer or at its highest disciplinary proceedings.

Yes everyone makes mistakes - OP if you know your plate is questionable in dimensions for crying out loud get it fixed before someone who KNOWS their stuff makes a nice big financial deal out of it.
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My own rant is borne out of the frustrating experience of making a living trying to make a case out of what our beloved boys in blue would to consider an ironclad case...and after 11 years I cannot put a figure on how many reports were sent straight back to the RO with the polite equivalent of "wtf" thereon.

For me the key phrase here is the police thought his plate was illegal. Before proceeding with any penalty (endorsable, financial, rap on the knuckles verbally) the burden of proof lies firmly with the reporting officers who have a duty of care to ensure that they are informing and educating the public - handing over a penalty to someone whose vehicle is in fact entirely legal in all its accoutrements would be in defiance of that duty of care and subject to re-education of the officer or at its highest disciplinary proceedings.

Yes everyone makes mistakes - OP if you know your plate is questionable in dimensions for crying out loud get it fixed before someone who KNOWS their stuff makes a nice big financial deal out of it.
I totally understand that people have genuine grievances with the police service. It varies widely between region, county and even the individual officer. They haven't issued him with a penalty notice but have asked him to produce his vehicle at a premesis for inspection. They were admittedly underprepared but I wouldn't expect dog handlers to be fully versed in traffic law.
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I totally understand that people have genuine grievances with the police service. It varies widely between region, county and even the individual officer. They haven't issued him with a penalty notice but have asked him to produce his vehicle at a premesis for inspection. They were admittedly underprepared but I wouldn't expect dog handlers to be fully versed in traffic law.
Then why were they harassing a motorist if they don't know the law. It is completely unfair that the OP has to prove his innocence rather than the police prove his guilt. The right procedure would be for the police to pull out a tape measure and try it that way (of course they would need to be clued up on the law first).
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IF (and I would expect the OP to research very carefully before doing so) his plates are legal and above board then there is nothing to stop him attending his local, asking to speak to the duty sergeant and lodging a gentle complaint that a producer has been received but according to legislation his plate is entirely legal and inviting the officers to explain their stance.

If nothing else it might provide a little additional knowledge for the officers in question.

The entire situation is unfortunate but such is life...

But the pedant in me has to point out that by virtue of the sentence "they probably pulled you for going too quickly" you were indeed saying that the OP had been speeding Spooks ;)
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Then why were they harassing a motorist if they don't know the law. It is completely unfair that the OP has to prove his innocence rather than the police prove his guilt. The right procedure would be for the police to pull out a tape measure and try it that way (of course they would need to be clued up on the law first).
No they don't. It's up to the garage to assess the legality of the plate. Correct procedure. It's not harassment either for just one incident. The other police vehicles and staff haven't bothered him before. It is absolutely to the letter of the law. You can right this 'fight the power crap all you like but it doesn't add up in this case.
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IF (and I would expect the OP to research very carefully before doing so) his plates are legal and above board then there is nothing to stop him attending his local, asking to speak to the duty sergeant and lodging a gentle complaint that a producer has been received but according to legislation his plate is entirely legal and inviting the officers to explain their stance.

If nothing else it might provide a little additional knowledge for the officers in question.

The entire situation is unfortunate but such is life...

But the pedant in me has to point out that by virtue of the sentence "they probably pulled you for going too quickly" you were indeed saying that the OP had been speeding Spooks ;)
Fair enough but I would refer you to the statement in the OP which includes prior conduct with regard to not having had any trouble in three years and the extenuating circumstance of running late for a meeting. I think, playing the part of he prosecution, I would highlight that section of the statement in court. It does unfortunately pose the question of why it was included in the OP. I'm not saying he always speeding but the Police were alerted to this car for a reason. I hope it's just because thy get hot for Jap cars. ;)
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No they don't. It's up to the garage to assess the legality of the plate. Correct procedure. It's not harassment either for just one incident. The other police vehicles and staff haven't bothered him before. It is absolutely to the letter of the law. You can right this 'fight the power crap all you like but it doesn't add up in this case.
Fair enough then if that is your opinion, but personally I believe that the police should fully know any law that they are trying to apply, and to be honest it is a pretty trivial matter in the first place. But I think the police having a pop at him, and giving him a notice because they cant find anything else, is following the letter of the law but not really following the spirit of it.
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Yes GB we wubs you lots....

Rearding the OP...I think it was a rather misguided attempt to show that "proper" police never bothered him yet the dog handlers did.....

Thankfully this sorry mess would never see the light of day in a court thanks to the insufficiency of evidence provided by the officers (and its too late for retrospective evidence gathering as the vehicle in question is now tainted by removal from the locus) - but I would thoroughly enjoy hearing how you would prosecute as I am likely too glazed in cynicism to view this objectively...
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I just like arguing the toss to be honest! Nice to have an intelligent debate with someone for a change. :P
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