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Old 18-07-2017, 07:24 PM   #1
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just had a call earlier from bells autos saying cant map car tomorrow because the boost controller hasent arrived.they left it to the last minute to let me know.i am self employed and booked day off with out pay.now have to have thursday off as well so now losing 2 days money.i am not happy they told me they had controllers in stock so why leave it so late to get one,has anyone else had this problem as not happy about losing somuch money.
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Source a controller yourself and drive it there ?
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Not ideal but least you only lose one day pay that way?
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2late to do anything now so hope they will get delivery 2morrow so can go thursday just annoying as i booked it in a week or so ago
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from what ive seen over the years its not the first time they have done this
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not a fan of bells, constant delays, poor workmanship and sending items/car back due to them not checking their work
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so in your opinion is it worth me taking it to them and if not any recommendations
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No matter WHERE you take it YOU will find there are always good and bad reviews of UK tuners. We're an inconsistent bunch (British public) and as such you cannot please everyone all the time.

I went to Bells / RSP 3 times in my ownership and to be honest only issue I had was a delay in mapping due to needing a bigger fuel pump. On night stop over and it was all sorted in the morning.

In my time I also used MGT and I contacted RB Motorsport, MGT were okay to deal with I suppose, overpriced a little and there were things on my car not put back properly once they had finished the work, which I rectified.

RB Wouldn't even quote me a standard rate for specific work, which as far as I'm concerned is just a bullshit scamming tactic. If all you do is Skylines how can you NOT KNOW how long it would take to do a clutch change.... and thus not give a fixed price.

At least Bells / RSP give fixed prices and they are super quick at clutch changes... it was worth the 5 hour round trip IMO. Still worked out cheaper for clutch change and fuel than going to MGT, and that was for an uprated clutch kit not standard.
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Chris what work did they do on your car?
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Bells are miles better than they were 10 years ago.
Loads of advice they will issue and it's not making them money when they do that!

Things happen
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I guess you are going for a custom map on a stock turbo. If so.... no1 is better on stock ecu
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Personally I can't fault the service I got.

My 1st GTST had a terrible misfire and a big hole in the fuelling. I spend ages swapping bits in and out to try n cure it. I didn't.

Half an hour on their dyno and they'd had it diagnosed it.

Worth the 2 hour drive each way imho. The drive home was far more enjoyable

They were known as RSP then.
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Chris what work did they do on your car?
lol don't get me started...

cam belt change (they left a stone resting on the tensioner pulley that cut into the belt ... "luckily" i pulled the engine a few hundred miles later before it snapped so head was saved ... although... reason for engine pull is below...

loose and missing bolts on items they had replaced

engine detted soon after a tune from them causing ringland failure and required a rebuild (this is when i found the cam belt issue)

endless delays

clutch went back twice as they didnt even both replacing the pilot bush causing a nasty noise, asked them to replace the clutch release bearing while at it .. they didnt

gearbox had to be rebuilt 3 weeks later due to clutch drag after fitting a new clutch

baffled and extended sump built and was leaky costing me an additional £300 from garage-D to fix the leaky welds (didnt want the car to go back to them after all of this hassle)

car was covered in metal swarf on collection (was MINT before) ...

they don't check any of their work.... has cost me 10k and 4 weeks off of work to rebuild and forge my engine myself (i did this last year myself, i've since put about 4k on it and is running 100% still.... just as it should be)

I have 0 faith in their work, which is a shame as they should know better after going bankrupt and changing their name 3 times ... some people never learn apparently, it's a shame as Rich genuinely has a ton of valuable advice and experience, either they're hiring monkeys to do their grunt work or he's just lost the passion of keeping customers cars safe

people warned me, but i was swayed by others who praised them and they were local... make your own call
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just got back from bells ran 270brake standard then 325.5brake after car feels so much better thanks for a great job and excellent service will defo use again for there 400 kit cheers guys have big smile on my face on way home
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lol don't get me started...

cam belt change (they left a stone resting on the tensioner pulley that cut into the belt ... "luckily" i pulled the engine a few hundred miles later before it snapped so head was saved ... although... reason for engine pull is below...

loose and missing bolts on items they had replaced

engine detted soon after a tune from them causing ringland failure and required a rebuild (this is when i found the cam belt issue)

endless delays

clutch went back twice as they didnt even both replacing the pilot bush causing a nasty noise, asked them to replace the clutch release bearing while at it .. they didnt

gearbox had to be rebuilt 3 weeks later due to clutch drag after fitting a new clutch

baffled and extended sump built and was leaky costing me an additional £300 from garage-D to fix the leaky welds (didnt want the car to go back to them after all of this hassle)

car was covered in metal swarf on collection (was MINT before) ...

they don't check any of their work.... has cost me 10k and 4 weeks off of work to rebuild and forge my engine myself (i did this last year myself, i've since put about 4k on it and is running 100% still.... just as it should be)

I have 0 faith in their work, which is a shame as they should know better after going bankrupt and changing their name 3 times ... some people never learn apparently, it's a shame as Rich genuinely has a ton of valuable advice and experience, either they're hiring monkeys to do their grunt work or he's just lost the passion of keeping customers cars safe

people warned me, but i was swayed by others who praised them and they were local... make your own call
Now that's a list and a half, how do you get a stone stuck under a tensioner that's encased in two covers??

Your car detted and blew the ringlands, what boost / power? That's a common failure for stock pistons, is it a spec 1 or 2?
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Now that's a list and a half, how do you get a stone stuck under a tensioner that's encased in two covers??

Your car detted and blew the ringlands, what boost / power? That's a common failure for stock pistons, is it a spec 1 or 2?
yup, it must have fallen there when they were changing the timing belt, as their timing marks line up perfectly for the stone to rest between the pulley and belt... still, they ever so generously exchanged the belt for another £20 bluprint one, so .. all good right?

I asked specifically for a safe map, they claimed that the car made a good amount over 450bhp (running all quality parts, ballbearing hybrid, nismo injectors, genuine 32, apexi downpipe/elbow etc), but tuned it back to 456 to run "safe" at 1.3bar

I know ringlands go, and i'm not too fussed about that part, its the constant failures every time the car comes back to them relating specifically to work they've done (clutch, gearbox, sump, timing belt) ... might ALL be a coincidence ....

It's a shame as Rich's maps consistently come back higher power than competitors.. I'm not sure if this dyno is 5-10% out, or if he maps them slightly more lean/aggressive or he's jsut that good.. shame he can;t get a cold start map down though (another thing the car was returned for) ..

Garage - D on the other hand, car's running great (albeit at 400bhp now (although i am running cams/lower compression in preparation for a larger turbo later on)) .. that being said.. they did crack my headlight (projector retro fit...) so.. eugh.. finding a tuner that looks after your car is hard
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