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Hey guys I know I'm new to this forum so if I'm out of line please let me know. My name is mike I'm from huntsville al, live in va and in the navy. I'm 24 years old and have owned 3 rbs one r32 and drive nothing but Nissan s since I was 17. I have read this forum many times and decided to join for the sake you guys have your stuff together.I have searched this forum for my problem but couldnt find an exact solution. Hope you guys can help. I have a s13 stock neo 6 that has a huge ecu timing retardation problem. i tryed the knock sensor one mohm trick , didnt work. Hard timing is dead on cleaned the maf, plugs are gapped exact (32). Ngk laser platnium. the reason i know ecu .is pulling timing is when i advance the timing maxed out on the cas (counter clockwise) she runs better . When i set it to factory position(had it marked) it spits and spuuters wot. If i ease on the gas itll spitt a little bit ( 4 or 5) times . But will go to redline. Now, i had an extra cas that i cut the adjustment holes out so i could advance the timining beyond the factory settings. And it runs great, no sputter........ So thats why i concluded the ecu is retarding my timing. any ideas ? This is my 3rd rb and ive never seen this before. Thanks for all the help.
 

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3 inch down pipe, cone filter that's it. Lol hell its even got factory side mount. Bp 93 octaane , 255 pump .
 

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I would start by running 99 ron fuel and see if theres any impovement. There is instruction on how to properly adjust timing and you will prbably find it in the FAQ section. From memory im sure you have to do something with the ecu before adjusting the cas

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I'm also running factory psi 6psi . Now I noticed that the ecu has no light or screw on it.... So
 

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If you think the ECU is running on knock map IE default retarded timing then why not just replace the knock sensors?

If this is not the case then have you double checked the cam timing? as this will impact the ignition timing.
 

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I don't think its the knock sensor. I installed a 1mohm resistor to each signal wire. ( which tells the ecu everything is o.k.) on both signal wires. And still the ecu is pulling back timing .... Its baffling to me too. I guess what I'm trying to find out is what else would cause the ecu to retract timing that bad.? Like I said before even with the cas fully counter clockwise as advanced as possible it still drives like the timing is retarded. The hard timing is dead on. Checked 5 times plus..... never been this baffled..... Is there a way you have to special reset the ecu in any way there is no led or screw tho.. Thanks for all your input guys
 

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So your cam timing is also correct?

The only thing that makes the ECU pull timing is if knock is detected, i know of no other influence that would cause this.
 

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Yes my hard cam timing is correct ..... So after reading the back deep dark secrets off Google I came across some info. The r and r or limp mode caused by knock only retards about 4 degrees....... Mine is WAY more than that. So upon reading some more I found out the coolant temp sensor for the ecu can retard your timing a lot more than that. So on to that for now. Ill let you guys know how it goes.
 

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If the sensor is reading SUPER hot (failure of sensor) it will retard the hell out of timing and dump fuel to cool it down. I think this is what is happening.
 

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Really! AFAIK all the default for a duff ECU water temp sensor is to run the fueling pretty rich, which will lose you power and cause a misfire, that the first i have ever heard about it retarding ing timing.
What was the source of this info?

Do you have a wide-band AFR gauge to check the fueling?
 

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Nope no wide ban. The info I believe came from like page 14 of a Google search from I think skyline aus .... Don't quote me on this I heard this and call my friend from my home town who does all of our wiring he said that it is very possible that an incorrect reading of temp will dump fuel and will retard timing a lot so you don't blow it. Just here say for now we will see if it is true.
 

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I've come across this on my mates car, was popping in the exhaust. Removed the water temperature sensor as it was hard to start also. It stopped over fueling but idled high.

Replaced the sensor and problem solved.


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Thanks man that gives me some hope. Can't work on car tonight but will tomorow . Thanks for the help
 

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So fixed the mega retarded timing problem. Now its just running rich as hell. On to the o2 sensor
 

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I am having the same problem. My timing is really retarded and I have the CAS fully advanced.I checked my ecu temp through the consult and it seems to be reading normal. I have a wideband that is telling me that my A/F is good but you can smell that it is running very Rich and I get a headache every time I run the car. Anyone know what the O2 voltages should look like at idle?
 

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Moped, I am really interested to hear your progress. I am completely lost with mine and I am hoping that someone hear has figured this out before. I noticed when I held my throttle plate closed by hand that the numbers on the consult held at a constant 15 degrees instead of jumping around like crazy. Does this make any sense to you guys?
 
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